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Monday, October 31 - 6:39amSanction this postReply
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In order to win in life, you must take risks. Getting big enough to warrant the attention of one of the least just and most Communist-totalitarian countries, is a foolish risk, in my book. Sure, some Americans are getting rich in China. I wouldn't, for the same reason I wouldn't build a house on a swamp. No stable foundation.



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Monday, October 31 - 6:44amSanction this postReply
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That kind of pragmatic attitude might pass muster in the United States or Europe, where courts are independent and the line between business and government is usually clear.
Who can take this author seriously after this.




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Monday, October 31 - 9:01amSanction this postReply
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On looking at reality, there is a definite effect occurring because of American business in China. The author of the article states:
Underneath the seemingly stable surface, dissent and unrest in China is rising.
This is the result of the Chinese people being shown up close what the fruits of liberty are. They did not have these things before and even party-line indoctrinates cannot evade that fact that another system - a more effective system than theirs - created these things.

I am not sure where the line to draw is on this. I cannot condone the lack of individual rights (or, let's say, the selective permission of moral entitlements) and the abuses of an arbitrary government power, but there is the issue of the sheer size of China, both in land mass and in terms of number of people. It is so big that to ignore it is to ignore reality.

War, for instance, would be extremely costly. China is not Afghanistan or Iraq. Should a war ever come with China, occupation after dismantling their formal military capacity would be a holy nightmare.

In making an argument, you can get a point across by saying something and by showing it. American businesses doing trade with China are not interested in saying anything, merely making profits. But in doing so, they are eloquently showing what an alternative to Communism is here on earth. Unwittingly, their business activities - in a "show" not "tell" manner - are making a powerful intellectual statement.

How far this will go in arming the thugs, though, is the rub. I don't think pragmatism is the whole standard here. This situation needs to be closely watched... er... objectively.

Michael




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Monday, October 31 - 9:30amSanction this postReply
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Oh I'd go build a house on a swamp - but you have to think "outside the box", as they say... float it and anchor it - then all be well...



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Monday, October 31 - 10:21amSanction this postReply
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Last year I spent a very large amount of time working with the largest maker of pianos in China (basically, the largest exporter of pianos in the world), and was afforded an up-close look at the overall situation. Had I not changed jobs, I probably would be over there this year.

There is a piece of me that strongly believes that capitalism will simply overpower China. The prospect of doing business in China (or with China) is incredibly exciting and intriguing, when you get into it. On the other hand, old habits die hard. Some of the obstacles you deal with are absolutely ridiculous. For one, the government has very precise ideas about which manufactuer will represent what to the world (in terms of being their "premium" this or that), and they take steps to make that happen. It literally will stop you from using a certain part when you make something. To do a joint venture with a European company required buy in from the #2 man in the whole government. It's hard to describe, it's insane. China is highly conscious of product profiling- it seems they only want one "best of class" in each category to offer the world.

The opportunities are incredible, that's the thing.




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Friday, November 11 - 9:55amSanction this postReply
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I get the impression that there there are sufficient numbers of Chinese capitalist-minded people who would be eager to fill the power vacuum of a fallen Communicst China to give democracy a real try. Could be wrong.



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Friday, November 11 - 10:29amSanction this postReply
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Are you suggesting that would be the real fear by China of Taiwan?



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