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Tuesday, September 13 - 11:04amSanction this postReply
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Well, yes, it was nice of him to say all of that.  About 10 years ago, on an information systems project, I met a guy working on a Ph.D. in Education, making great headway in the "new" field of exceptional (gifted) pupils.  Himself a gifted learner, to my reply that I thought that there were exceptions to the egalitarian rule, he said that he had never heard of any and only now (1995) were there multiple options for teachers wanting to pursue gifted education.

As Sowell pointed out, children can, and do, teach children.  Here in the People's Republic of Ann Arbor, we have at least two such programs.

Community Leaning Post
625 N. Main (Ann Arbor Community Center), Mailing address: P.O. Box 7674, Ann Arbor 48107 [map]
769-0288
U-M student volunteers tutor elementary, middle, and high school students. Family nights integrate students, parents, and teachers into learning teams. All programs free (donations welcome). www.sessiondesigns.com/clp
E-mail: LeaningPost83@msn.com

Mentoring programs, using student tutors as well as parents, college students, and community member volunteers, to provide support in terms of reteaching and enrichment, will be implemented in each middle school building.
Middle School Review Steering Committee
http://msreview.aaps.k12.mi.us/fin_report.html

Imagine that!  I mean, ok, maybe college students, being "almost" teachers can tutor high school kids.  But in the other case, we have middle schoolers teaching each other.  So, what is it that a seventh grader can do that a state-certified teacher cannot?  Or, what is that teachers do that seems so similar to children playing school?




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Tuesday, September 13 - 11:19amSanction this postReply
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Even so-called "gifted and talented" programs often turn out to be simply a bigger load of the same level of work that other students are doing -- keeping the brighter students busy in a separate room.

I experienced this in elementary school (primary school, I think, for the backwards people of the world), but junior high and high school were different. I think it's because I went to a "gifted" school rather than a school with a "gifted" program. The fact remains, however, that the best teachers I had were the ones that didn't follow the style of teaching that they were taught.

Sarah



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Tuesday, September 13 - 1:10pmSanction this postReply
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I'd agree with Sarah except I experienced the reverse, (normal school with a gifted and talented program).  The english teachers were usually the ones with the most power in these programs (at my school), but they also often taught history. Right now I'm shooting to be a fiction writer who still studies way too much history for any adult, go figure.

---Landon




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Tuesday, September 13 - 4:24pmSanction this postReply
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What era of history, primarily?



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Tuesday, September 13 - 4:33pmSanction this postReply
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Few different eras.  WWII, Russian Revolution, 15th & 16th century Europe (kind of an inquisition buff), since becoming an Objectivist I've had renewed interest in revolutionary period America, the industrial revolution and the enlightnement.

And also just studying major conquerors, Napoleon, Hitler, Etc...

That give you a basic idea?

---Landon




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Thursday, September 15 - 9:28pmSanction this postReply
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Here in America, secondary schools just waste the time of bright students. There is no reason for any teenager not to take the secondary school passing exam - the California Proficiency Test or its equivalent for their state - as soon as they can, at 14 or so, and go straight on to a college or university.



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Friday, September 16 - 3:01amSanction this postReply
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Am in agreement with you there, Adam - in my case at least was fed college level courses during those years [offshoot from joint university/public school structuring in Madison then]...  and that was over 40 years ago, too...



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