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Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 6:33amSanction this postReply
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It's a painfully moving article, Chris, and brings back that terrible day so vividly. So much of the reactions to that day are like the reactions to the Holocaust: the sense of incredulity, of disbelief that such a monstrous thing could happen -- the desire to scream that this must never be allowed to happen again -- the unbearable mental pictures of human suffering that one cannot erase from one's mind -- the desperate grief of families when the bodies of loved ones cannot be found -- the agony of the survivors, for whom life will never be the same again -- the overwhelming need to bear witness so that this nightmare will never be forgotten. I'm glad that you pay tribute every year, Chris -- and as long as you do, I will read your tribute, and remember.`



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Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 9:17amSanction this postReply
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(I also posted this on the  SOLO e-mail list).

 

There was a documentary on TV about it last night called THE FIGHT FOR GROUND ZERO.

Basically, the building's 99 year lease was sold to Larry Silverstein three weeks before 9/11 happened. As the tenant he gets to decide what is now built there, except collectivist assholes like Governor George Pataki and the architect Daniel Libeskind said that it was unfair, because the site symbolically doesn't belong to Silverstein any more - but to America. Even George Bush hired a lawyer to make sure that Libeskind's design would go through.

So, Silverstein had his own plan from Architect David Childs - but was forced to compromise with Libeskind by George Pataki and Bush's lawyers. In the end, because of the Libeskind spire concept, the final design had to have a spire on the top of it. A mimic the statue of liberty. Architecture by polit-bureau dictate!!!!

 

If this is not an echo of Tooheyesque collective architecture by dictate - what is?

 

And George Pataki is tipped to be the next president!!!! Fuck off!!!!

 

Here is what one critic wrote in the times:

 
"What made the access gained by The Fight for Ground Zero (Channel 4) so fascinating was that you rarely get even to glimpse the goings-on backstage when these three groups of people collide, let alone hear them bartering so frankly over a plan — as they were in this case — to fill the void left by the twin towers.  After al-Qaeda decided barbarically to alter Manhattan’s skyline on September 11, an open competition was held to find a fitting, architecturally exciting replacement for the twin towers; a building that would at once be sympathetic to Manhattan’s skyline, replace the World Trade Centre as an icon in the affections of still shell-shocked New Yorkers, perhaps comfort those who had lost relatives and friends in the tragedy, and also stand as a symbol of America’s defiance in the face of terrorism.  That competition was won by Daniel Libeskind, most famous for the acclaimed Jewish Museum in Berlin, and the unbuilt spiral extension to the Victoria and Albert Museum in London.  Well, that’s what Libeskind thought. Libeskind’s joy at winning the commission lasted as long as it took for the owner of the site, the property developer Larry Silverstein, to say that he had his own well-established and respected architect, David Childs, of Skidmore Ownings & Merrill, whom he planned to use. You might think this reasonable enough, given that it was Silverstein’s financial stake on the line.  Meanwhile, Governor George Pataki of New York, who supervised the competition which blessed Daniel Libeskind’s design, did not want to lose face with an election coming up — either by abandoning the Libeskind design which he had so publicly toasted, or by having a public showdown with Silverstein or Childs.  Bickering and bravado gave birth, painfully by this account, to a modified design for Ground Zero, which was unveiled to smiles and applause from Childs, Libeskind, Silverstein and Pataki — who were the ones that counted. The new design is a compromise, satisfying all parties, but fully pleasing none. The people of New York might never have imagined the process by which a replacement was found for one of their city’s icons."




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Tuesday, September 7, 2004 - 1:40pmSanction this postReply
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Chris - as always, you find what is important and write about it powerfully. Whatever anyone's political beliefs are, I hope they keep in mind the horrible suffering and the gross injustice suffered by innocent people that day.



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Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 4:17amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the feedback, Barbara, Marcus, and Jim.  I continue to conduct other interviews and will post these over time. 

Marcus, you raise a very good question; I saw a special last night on this very issue, though I'm not sure it's the same special you saw in the UK.  This one was called "Sacred Ground," and it appeared on the Public Broadcasting System. 

Alas, the process at the WTC has always been politicized because the site is actually owned by a public corporation called the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.  So Silverstein could never have hoped to have exercised full control over the properties he leases.  Yes, even New Jersey politics affects the building of structures in Lower Manhattan.  If the final product ends up resembling something with columns, gargoyles, spires, and twists, the kind of compromise that often accompanies the worst of "mixed economy" group in-fighting, nothing will surprise me.

A part of me hopes they build the tallest structure in the world as a Huge Middle Finger to Al Qaeda, though I do hope they will actually be able to rent that office space, considering that it might become the target of future terrorists.  (Genuine privatization and a free market in real estate would, of course, be wiser, than the kind of risk socialization and public assumption of debt that goes hand-in-hand with this fundamentally "state-capitalist" endeavor.) 

Whatever happens at the site, I do hope that a section will still be put aside for a memorial mall, where they hope to place not only artifacts recovered from the Twin Towers, but those human remains that have been unidentifiable as of yet (due to still-primitive DNAtesting). 




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Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 10:21amSanction this postReply
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Chris,

 

The facts were presented in the documentary as such - that the building and site does belong to Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. However, Silverstein has a ninety nine year lease on the building. The contract states that if the building is to be replaced then Silverstein would get complete control over the design.

 

Now, maybe if Pataki and Libeskind had said that the building belongs to the Port Authority - I would have thought they were making a legal case – even if a dodgy one at that.

 

What they in fact said - live in interview - is that because of the 9/11 tragedy the building site can no longer be thought of as belonging to one private individual, because it now belongs to all Americans!!! They actually said that!!! Therefore, Libeskind's design (the winning entry) DESERVED to be built. That is what makes both Pataki and Libeskind Toohey like collectivists!!! Their positions are morally and legally indefensible!!!

 

When Silverstein told them to piss off (as he had every right to do) - Pataki was worried about losing political face. Somehow Pataki then wangled a deal behind closed doors to have Childs co-operate on the plan with Libeskind. In any other part of the western world Pataki would have blackmailed Silverstein to co-operate through the threat of wielding zoning and building regulations. However, I am not sure if that was the case here, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

So in the end because Childs basically ignored Libeskind's design in the compromise deal (very admirable behaviour), Libeskind and Pataki had a fit about it. Somehow Pataki again exerted pressure on Silverstein so that a type of spire was stuck on the top of Childs original design. However, Libeskind is still sulking over his original design like a baby who had his free toys taken away from him.






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Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 11:48amSanction this postReply
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Thank you for this, Chris.

What vivid memories...

I'm glad you are recording these stories, because for those of us who love New York City, who love America, and who still bear the scars of September 11th, these tales of remembrance help us to move forward while retaining the poignant importance and meaning of that day and those that followed.

It has taken me three years to put my own thoughts on paper, and they will be published tomorrow.  Even in editing the piece after all this time, the memories are no less painful.  I can still smell the smoke and hear the deafening silence that was downtown Manhattan.

I am always brought to tears when I see this quote from the Fountainhead:

"When I see the city . . . I feel that if a war came to threaten this, I would like to throw myself into space, over the city, and protect these buildings with my body." 
Amen.

Jennifer




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Wednesday, September 8, 2004 - 5:52pmSanction this postReply
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I have to say, the Libeskind design reminded me of nothing so much as the aftermath of a blast. One website, dedicated to the rebuilding of towers at least as high as before, has called the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (LMDC), which champions the architect, the “Leave Manhattan Destroyed Committee.”

September 11, 2001 caused me to feel something I never thought I would. More than once in the months that followed, the thought crossed my mind that if my own death could somehow allow it to be possible for 9/11 never to have happened, I would accept such a fate.

When the towers were first built, their scale actually frightened me. Looking at photos of them, I felt they might topple one day, of their own accord. I really thought mankind had not yet progressed to the point where such structures were viable and sustainable.

How right I was on this last point!

After the disaster, there were those who complained that the buildings should have been designed to better withstand such an attack. Nonsense, of course—in fact, I myself was absolutely flabbergasted that these two seemingly fragile, top-heavy glass cases had stopped the planes cold and remained unmoved! But it is true that there should have been guarantees against the towers’ collapse. Not physical, structural ones, but moral-philosophical ones that would have left the subhuman parts of the modern world as powerless to affect human society as bears in the forest. (See Why America Slept by Gerald Posner for details.) There are two things that hold buildings up: the materials and design to deal with the metaphysical dangers, and the government to deal with the man-made ones.

I had never loved the towers; but in the ensuing weeks I started to feel unusual emotions. I was not alone.

Yet consider this: When one guest on Larry King—I forget who—started to haltingly mention how he now looks at photos of the WTC with some of the feelings he has when seeing pictures of his kids, Larry cut him off fast. Apparently many shrink in horror at the idea that one might actually love something so crass and materialistic as modern office towers.

And that is one reason why of all the Ayn Rand quotes that ran through my head at the time, the most frequent was the following:

He thought, you’re my judges and witnesses. You rise, unhindered, above the sagging roofs. You shoot your gracious tension to the stars, out of the slack, the tired, the accidental. The eyes one mile out on the ocean will see none of this and none of this will matter, but you will be the presence and the city. … One can’t escape from you; the streets change, but one looks up and there you stand, unchanged. … It’s you that I’ve betrayed.

—Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead

(Edited by Rodney Rawlings on 9/08, 6:04pm)




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Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 7:02amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the additional comments, folks; we all have very personal memories of this nightmarish attack.  I'm glad to see that people continue to "bear witness."  Toward that end, I encourage readers to take a look at Jennifer Iannolo's Atlasphere essay, posted today, on the topic at hand.

I knew that the new WTC designs would become a political football, though the current controversy doesn't light a candle to the original debates over the building of the Twin Towers and the ways in which they profoundly altered the neighborhoods of lower Manhattan.  I myself had an early dislike of the Towers, but they grew on me... as this essay documents.  Yes, indeed, one could fall in love with "something so crass and materialistic as modern office towers."

They've been testing the "Towers of Light" all week.  I could see their poignant, ghostly glow at night from my home here in Brooklyn.  They come back once a year to tribute the Towers and those whose lives were lost.  This Saturday night, September 11, 2004, that "Tribute in Light" will shine, after a morning of commemoration during which the names of the WTC victims will be read by relatives, at Ground Zero.

But life goes on.  On my block, here in Brooklyn, the street will be closed to traffic, people will put out tables and BBQs and there will be music, food, and drink aplenty.  It's called, not surprisingly, a "Block Party," and even for those who lost their loved ones, it is a time to reaffirm life.




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Thursday, September 9, 2004 - 1:32pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Chris.  I've received some very touching e-mails today, and it seems people still long to reach out and share their stories -- which makes your chronology all the more important.  I hope you will preserve these personal recollections for the generations to come.

Warmly,
Jennifer




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