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Monday, November 28 - 10:25amSanction this postReply
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In the Fountainhead Reloaded, what would Keating’s lot be like? I remember he tries painting at the end, but Roark tells him “it’s too late.” OK, but what would be the Objectivist approach to someone like Keating if he decided to “reform” and become an Objectivist?



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Monday, November 28 - 3:13pmSanction this postReply
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I found the passage about Keating's "too late" start in painting somewhat surprising given the late start in painting that Ayn Rand's husband Frank O'Connor got.

If Keating finally made a decision to change his character, he would probably be able to get a decent day job in some kind of service industry and perform satisfactorily.  He could then engage in rigorous training in the arts during his free hours and become decent at that, too.  The main downside of such late training is that the brain cells literally become "more stiff" with age and less trainable, or so I have read here and there.  This especially holds true for learning a language.

I personally do not consider it ever "too late" to make a decision to change one's character for the better, though.




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Monday, November 28 - 3:26pmSanction this postReply
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I personally know at least one person who has started painting late in life and her paintings are terrific. I think the point being made in the Fountainhead was that the same tendencies toward second-handedness and compromise that Keating struggled through as an architect, he would struggle with as a painter and starting from square 1. I think it is possible for people to psychologically disentangle themselves from breaches of integrity, but in Keating's case it wasn't likely.

Jim




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Monday, November 28 - 3:48pmSanction this postReply
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I do echo Luke's puzzlement over the "too late" when applied to career changes though. I've viewed my career as not something I set out specifically to do and something that is still evolving and changing over time. I trained as a chemical engineer concentrating in bulk chemical processing and petroleum refining in graduate school and ended up in semiconductors, go figure.

For someone to whom career and productive work meant so much, Rand spent almost no time talking about how to choose a career . That's up to us :-).

Jim




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Monday, November 28 - 4:08pmSanction this postReply
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If I recall correctly, Keating has enough money to last through his lifetime.  His decision to paint is personal, something apart from the office.  The office will always be there.  They had to close some of it off.  It might be much small -- as Cameron's became, but like Henry Cameron, Peter Keating will always get some commissions.  It is just that he will not enjoy them.  He did not enjoy doing architecture, but only being an architect.  So, he took up painting, something he always wanted to do.

I agree with the assessment of the assessment.  "It's too late" refers not to Keating's ability to doodle, but to his ability to identify and execute a subject.  He is not a child. He has lived his life in the arts... and yet, he lacks something that perhaps he could have developed, but never did. 

I also agree with the assessment of the assessment that this is curious considering Frank O'Connor's story.  Perhaps that proves the rule:  O'Connor had the right stuff inside; Keating never did.

The Fountainhead is a novel. Characters are representations of ideals, not biographical entities.  Rand needed to wipe Keating away, so she did.

I disagree wtih Luke Setzer's opinion that Keating might get a job in the service sector. 
Associated Press
posted: 12:00 pm ET
23 September 2003
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nine experts on a NASA space safety advisory panel have resigned in the wake of sharp criticism from the Columbia accident investigation board and by Congress, the space agency said Tuesday.
The members of the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel and two staff members of the panel sent letters of resignation to NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe.
Do you think they are working at Wal-Mart now?
 






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Monday, November 28 - 4:47pmSanction this postReply
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I don't know what those NASA folks are doing now, Michael.  I have seen people leave NASA to do all sorts of diverse tasks ranging from full-time parenting to teaching high school science classes.  Why don't you do some research and tell us where these former panelists went?

My remark about Keating working in the service industry was only a wild card -- a filler -- a possibility.




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Tuesday, November 29 - 8:15amSanction this postReply
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Well, Luke, government aside, and knowing nothing of the individual involved, teaching high school science after working for NASA seems like the continuation of a good life. 

Criticizing NASA is about like picking on the Department of Human Services or the Park Service.  (In fact, isn't Kennedy Space Center a park?)  But of all of the things that government does in our world, launching satellites into outer space, building a space station, and going to the moon is about a googleplex cooler than anything else it does.  I went to high school with a guy who got an engineering degree and worked  his whole life for the state environmental lab.  I think you took the better path.

That said, it is one thing to leave a job to stay home and be a parent.  It is another to leave because of something on the order of Cortlandt Homes.

I just feel that knowing what I do about people, that following the headlines, and after the ballyhoo, "someone like Peter Keating" would be unlikely to take a job filing insurance claims.




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