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" The Bradley fighting vehicles moved slowly down this city's main boulevard. Suddenly, a homemade bomb exploded, punching into one vehicle. Then another explosion hit, briefly lifting a second vehicle up onto its side before it dropped back down again. Two American soldiers climbed out of a hatch, the first with his pant leg on fire, and the other completely in flames. The first rolled over to help the other man, but when they touched, the first man also burst into flames. Insurgent gunfire began to pop. Several blocks away, Lance Cpl. Jeffrey Rosener, 20, from Minneapolis, watched the two men die..."

These are the lead paragraphs in the cover story on Iraq of today's Sunday New York Times -- the most important real estate in the most important newspaper in the world on the day (Sunday) when that paper is the most widely read.

The story goes on to tell a story of terror and confusion, seeking out and finding a soldier to quote who would go on record to say, plaintively and Bambi-like, "we didn't know it was going to be like this..." And telling us how the enemy seems to be "everywhere". Typical of the Times coverage of the war, this story comes across slightly phony in tone. The reporter is trying to hard to editorialize, straining to slightly over-dramatize the horrors of war for that Pulitzer.

It reads like the fairy tale of an imaginary war in which the American military is running scared before all powerful insurgents. The story is heightened by the photo which accompanies it: not that of a confident or purposeful American soldier, but one who looks catatonic. It would have been necessary to comb thousands of photos to come up with one that combines in such a pronounced way fearfulness and confusion with a numb, dazed, and stupid look. This is not someone I would trust to clean my windshield.

By implication, what this photo selection suggests, since a picture is more eloquent than words, is the mental and self-esteem state of the American soldier. It is especially significant because the Times doesn't often put the face of an American soldier on its cover page. It is clearly intended to be symbolic.

It is an attempt to say something they are too cowardly to come right out and say. (And which they want to slip under the radar into your subconscious.)

What is striking about this fiction-like story of a horrible incident is how dishonest it is. It involves a careful selection of a story to plaster on the front page which is diametrically the opposite of the real situation right, as any informed person knows who has actually been following the war over the last six to eight months:

The war is one in which the American army is winning every battle. The insurgents can't stay long in one place. They were not able to meet their main goal of cowing or convincing their own people not to vote. They are hated in their own country..and they seem to be less and less feared. They have not been able to foment a civil war. They have not been able to cause the Americans to withdraw or to terrorize the Iraqis into not joining the police or the army or the government.

All you need to do to see the impotence of the insurgents (and thus the slanted, twisted, dishonesty of the above out-of-context war coverage) is to focus on one single fact:

The insurgents are barely able to kill a dozen people a day - a ludicrously small figure in any war, comparable to the number of people killed by falling trees in any given week. More Americans died in most -days- in World War II than have died in the entire Iraq War.


I would not complain, nor would any reasonable person, if this were an isolated story. After all, a great newspaper has to cover the parts of the country and the respects where the war is going well and the places and respects in which it is going badly.

But here is where the sleaziness and dishonesty is revealed:

The New York Times does not cover in any serious or focused way the parts of Iraq or the respects in which the war is going well. Their coverage of that is almost as rare as the number of favorable articles they have published on ...oh, let's say...the Bush Administration.

They do mention that they have chosen the worst city in Iraq to write this story about. But the fact that they did not choose to write about the most successful city in Iraq to plaster on the front page of the Sunday Times is as revealing as anything could be.

The New York Times, for political reasons wishes to emphasize the negative with regard to those things it is opposed to. They choose to do this in every story on the topic. They are not the Washington Post.

The Times make it a matter of firm editorial policy (which they will heatedly deny) to never publish anything, at least not prominently, which suggests that anything whatsoever is successful over there or that that the war is anything but hopeless.

This is not to say that there is any guarantee that the war will be won, or to argue either for or against having gone into Iraq in the first place.

But it is to say that a newspaper that is still a great one when the topic is other than politics (the science pages, the culture pages, the business and technology sections) should separate fact from its own political opinion, needs to act like something better than a two-dollar whore when the subject of an article involves the ideology or politics of the owners, publishers, and editors.

Even worse, those who are slimed by the Times - for example, their frequent targets: the military, the department of defense, the business community, the "right", the Republicans - don't utter a peep about this dishonesty. By what comes across as trembling silence about this outright, belligerent dishonesty, their victims who do have the money and ability to get their response known allow blatant, fictionalized, sensationalist yellow journalism, as in the story cited above, to not only go unrefuted but, since it has been unexposed, to win journalism awards.

The unchallenged lie from the Des Moines Register may not be noticed before the next Ice Age but the unchallenged lie from the New York Times is accepted by everyone and appears on the evening news the next day.

Would it be better if other journalists had more spine and independent thinking? Yes, but you can't count on that, and that is not the way the world of ideas works. In almost every field, when the recognized big dog starts barking, all the other hounds in the neighborhood start barking in syncopated rhythm as well.

Where is Spiro Agnew, who went after the politicization of the Times from the bully pulpit? Where is there a prominent press critic with a megaphone when we need him?

--Philip Coates

PS, The sneaky little trick the Times does (and I read them essentially every day, so I'm quite familiar with this) is when they bury the other side of the story:

That things are getting better but slowly in the above city or in the general battle against the insurgents. In this case, it was hidden in the bottom of the story if you dig for it. But ninety percent of readers don't read every word. And usually the other side is treated in one of these ways: i) given less space, ii) hidden at bottom or on an inside page, iii) undercut or made to seem like less than solid in some way.

(Edited by Philip Coates
on 10/23, 2:03am)




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Sunday, October 23 - 1:36amSanction this postReply
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Is it possible to clean up the typos in my thread title? I know how to edit and change my posts, but not the thread 'header'.



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Sunday, October 23 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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Phillip,

Congratulations on an extremely well written and well reasoned post. Accurate, concise, and full of verve. Bravo.

Jeff

P.S. [Added in later editing]
"Where is Spiro Agnew, who went after the politicization of the Times from the bully pulpit? Where is there a prominent press critic with a megaphone when we need him?"

There are, in fact, many.  Like them or hate them: Ann Coulter, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Walter Williams, Bernard Goldberg, Rush Limbaugh, and many other prominent writers all take the NYT to task regularly.


(Edited by Jeff Perren on 10/23, 11:00am)




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Sunday, October 23 - 10:01amSanction this postReply
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Philip,

Who could reasonably disagree with your assessment.  The NYT has become The Banner.




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Sunday, October 23 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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Philip - you ask, "Is it possible to clean up the typos in my thread title? I know how to edit and change my posts, but not the thread 'header'."

Just get into the editing page, and edit the heading text in the one-line widget above the editable summary text. Then preview and post.

There is also a one-line editing widget for the link.

(Edited by Adam Reed
on 10/23, 1:37pm)




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Sunday, October 23 - 6:18pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Robert and Jeff! Jeff, I agree with your list, but I only wish there were someone who is nationally famous and widely respected not just by the right wing (or dismissable as an ideological partisan). John McCain would be nice. Adam, I tried your suggestion but the thread heading only allows me to click on it as a link, not to edit...even when I right click... at any rate, I don't want to waste more time on it but thanks, anyway.
Phil



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Sunday, October 23 - 7:42pmSanction this postReply
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Phillip,

I wish the same, although Bernard Goldberg partially fits the bill.  He is a Democrat, an avowed 'liberal' of many decades, and (as you likely know) an ex-CBS journalist of long standing.  Of course, many of his views these days sound conservative, but then anyone who criticizes the media as biased is going to.  I think he's more likely just the sort of man who tries to call a spade a spade.  He's making money at it now, but paid a heavy price initially, so I doubt it's just opportunism.

Of course, you won't find any of the quasi-liberals taking the NYT, or any other main-stream left slanting outlet, to task since that is not only their bread and butter but their holy shrine.  Or as they would put it, "Bias? What bias?"

And, by the way, I forgot to mention John Stossel who has made some comments on the subject. And I don't believe he could be fairly labeled either a conservative or right-wing ideologue.

Jeff


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Sunday, October 23 - 11:05pmSanction this postReply
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Philip,

I edited a heading recently, and the procedure I posted works. Did you look for the one-line editable text field containing the heading? Depending on the size of your screen, you might need to scroll down to work on it.





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Monday, October 24 - 11:18amSanction this postReply
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The subjects in this thread ... and my original post launching it ... include a lot of life and death issues in our culture:

The level of discussion in America, what shapes opinion and debate, how it can be slanted, and the real facts about a major war our country is engaged in. Not to mention the (implied) issue of what needs to be done to turn dishonest or slanted discussion around.

So that the truth can get a hearing.

I am disappointed that this thread, which took me quite a while to think through and write, has attracted so little interest from the deep thinkers here . . . . in comparison to well over three hundred and climbing to four hundred often repetitious or obsessive-compulsive or lightweight posts on the heavily intellectual subject of the acrimony over the grandmothers of the critics of the critics of the critics of the critics of the critics of the critics of Ayn Rand's angry outbursts and sex life forty years ago. [And that's only one of multiple threads on the same mind-numbing, non-intellectual gossip-column topic.]

For that reason, I will less frequently be likely to expend this much effort and energy on *my* kind of writing and subjects and interests here.

--Philip Coates



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Monday, October 24 - 12:21pmSanction this postReply
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Phillip,
I understand your frustration, but your decision would be regrettable.  You might consider, though, that you covered the subject so well (and the 'Saddamites' have all left now, so...) that there's little to debate or disagree with.  Perhaps you are looking for some suggestions about how to change the situation?  I'll give that some thought and post later.

In the interim, you might be interested in my own small effort to report on the topic.

http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/media-bias-in-iraq-war-reporting-2005-09-22.html

Perhaps you'd be interested in discussing some of the positive and possibly negative aspects of Goldberg's book?  I'd be up for that.

I have to disagree with one comment posted on this thread.  I don't think the NYT is The Banner.  The Banner struck me more like The New York Post. I.e. one step above National Enquirer.

Or perhaps you'd be interested in broadening the topic to encompass the ways in which, though not produced by actual government censorship, the influence of the NYT stifles free speech. (Even in a free market there are ways to surrender that precious commodity.)




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Monday, October 24 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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Philp, I agreed with everything in your initial post and I also agree with the lightweight nature of many of the popular threads on this site.  In any event here is my response to your post.

"Even worse, those who are slimed by the Times - for example, their frequent targets: the military, the department of defense, the business community, the "right", the Republicans - don't utter a peep about this dishonesty. By what comes across as trembling silence about this outright, belligerent dishonesty, their victims who do have the money and ability to get their response known allow blatant, fictionalized, sensationalist yellow journalism, as in the story cited above, to not only go unrefuted but, since it has been unexposed, to win journalism awards."

The problem is that all of the "victims" you listed tend to use similar tactics when it suits them.   Almost everyone involved in politics -journalists, federal officials, big business execs, congressman etc. view the whole thing as a strategic game.  The goal is never to state the truth.  Making clear logical arguments pointng to claims of truth and falsehood is not seen as a strategy that wins support and votes.   Propaganda that is repeated over and over and over is the chosen method of all of these groups.   Politicians use simplified slogans as their method because the general public is deemed not intelligent enough to move beyond that level of thinking.  A newspaper like the New York Times which caders to a slightly more intelligent group will instead use various methods of repititous color and insinuaton.  It is the same method, just on a more sophisticated level. 

Unfortunatly most people do not understand the full requirements of proper reporting and argumentation and instead take emotions as their epistemological primary when dealing with ethics and politics.   So it follows that those who are interested in influencing public opinion will not use logical arguments but instead will work to manipulate people's emotions via propaganda tactics.  All of the critiques of these methods will fall on deaf ears until the general public is operating at a logical, conceptual level when dealing with ethics and politics.  Listen to any radio political talk show and you will see that we have a long way to go before this happens.

 - Jason




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Monday, October 24 - 1:50pmSanction this postReply
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Jason, et al,

Although there are general cultural, and other, influences, I place much of the blame for what you list at the door step of the J-schools which teach explicitly and self-righteously that objectivity is impossible (and when it isn't, not desirable).




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1. Jeff, thank you for pointing this out on the link you gave: "Between Sept. 10 and Sept. 16 U.S. and Iraqi forces staged an operation to eliminate enemy fighters from Tal Afar in Iraq, near the Syrian border. The operation was "an extremely successful tactical operation," according to U.S. commander of Multinational Force Iraq, Gen. George W. Casey, Jr. Roughly 80 percent of the foreign fighters believed to be in the city, were killed or captured. Tal Afar is one of two major transit zones for foreign fighters entering Iraq..A check of Google and CNN archives show this story to be only lightly reported."

I've seen this same lack of coverage of positive events in the war over the last year and a half from other major media besides the NYT. But I wanted to just write about one limited event and the most important, pace-setting newspaper. It's much easier to see if you just read the NYT everyday and then compare it to other sources of news which don't lick their butt (that's an advanced Journalism School term).

2. > I place much of the blame for what you list at the door step of the J-schools which teach explicitly and self-righteously that objectivity is impossible (and when it isn't, not desirable). [Jeff]

This would require a considerable amount of proof across entire curricula and multiple schools. Do you have a solid basis for this? (I'm not saying you are right or wrong, just pointing out the need for a higher and more 'indirect' standard of proof than my claim about the NYT.)

3. > all of the "victims" you listed tend to use similar tactics when it suits them. Almost everyone involved ..... view the whole thing as a strategic game. The goal is never to state the truth. Making clear logical arguments pointing to claims of truth and falsehood is not seen as a strategy that wins support and votes. [Jason Q]

I have noted this as well (not always, but often enough to discredit them as protestors against distortion when they are known to be less than believable themselves. This is a very important point. The only way to win against powerful, entrenched liars and suave reasonable-sounding bullshit artists is to ALWAYS take the high road.

ALWAYS tell the -full- truth, no matter how damaging to your -side- [[this is a point that could be noted by people who take on side or another on multi-faceted issues in Objectivist circles like ARI vs. TOC vs. SOLO]]. ALWAYS take on the people who present issues unfairly.

However, there is one group that has been telling the truth about the war, not BS-ing us, and that is the military commanders in the field. They don't sugar coat it for us, if you've watched them interviewed over and over and then read up a bit further.

Phil



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Jason,

On further reflection, I think your assessment of the cynicism of the elites or the gullibility/emotionalism of the masses is (a bit) over-stated. But even if the "victims" don't play it straight or try to propagandize on occasion, that is enough to shred their credibility or the willingness of people to listen when they protest their getting unfair treatment.

It's exactly because most people are not gullible, and have a pretty good radar for non-exaggeration vs. bullshit that this occurs.

Phil



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> the 'Saddamites' have all left now..

I consider that term to be unfair. They were not advocates of evil and should not have been insulted the way they were on this site. [I am not going to be uncivil enough to go off on my lengthy civility rant again. I like to space 'em out by several months. :-) ]

What they were was too reliant on the mainstream press, too likely to believe that if the nyt, the ap, reuters and cbs all report the same story, it must be true.

Error of thinking (or research).

Not an error of morality.

Phil
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Really well-put Jeff! A good *comparison* to another war drives the point home. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a good comparison is worth 850:

"In any case, it's difficult to imagine, sixty years ago, the major news outlets mentioning only off-handedly a place called Iwo Jima and some Marines who happened to obtain an important tactical victory there." [The Tal Afar Victory]

By the way, I only fully learned how stunning the Fallujah victory was [the mainstream press reported it because of the buildup so they had to] from guess where? Popular Mechanics!!

They did a detailed analysis of how difficult it is to fight urban guerilla warfare and how normally you take enormous losses. (Think Stalingrad, or more recently, the Russians in Chechnya). And how cleverly and brilliantly the U.S. military was able to rout the urban guerillas and make -them- be the ones taking the overwhelming losses.

Do you remember reading about *that* stunning reversal of military conventional wisdom in the NYT or hearing it admiringly discussed by military experts on Nightline??!!

Didn't think so,

Case closed.



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Phil,

Great thread all the way around.  Thanks for doing the research and posting this.

-Bill




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Phil,
I'll respond to some of your excellent points at greater length later.  For now, a few brief comments.

1. It would be a rare day when I didn't have a solid basis for a claim.  When I don't know, backed by extensive multiple-lines of independent
corroborating evidence and judicious reasoning, I keep my mouth shut. (Not offended, just making a point.) But I don't expect you to believe that just because I say so.
On the more specific question, evidence includes:
a) friendship with journalists who've attended leading J-schools; persons at all angles of the political rotunda
b) attendance at a dozen different universities myself and interaction with students and professors at same
c) extensive reading from authors at all angles of the political rotunda -- NOT just left-bashing conservatives
d) to paraphrase a line in the Harrison Ford film, Clear And Present Danger: "long experience, sir."
e) the statements of leading journalists themselves, employed by the NYT and other major news outlets

Yes, of course, any (and many others) of these could be picked apart, given alternative interpretations, etc.  We can save that for another time.  Here again, we may differ on what constitutes 'sufficient evidence and reasoning' to draw a firm conclusion.  I suspect (you have my sympathy) you are used to dealing with persons who don't put much effort into forming valid conclusions, or who lack the skills to do so well.  (Again, not offended, nor trying to be offensive, just making a point.)

On the 'saddamites'... I put the term in scare quotes to suggest I was being semi-humorous.  I do NOT have the same view of (all) of these persons so labelled that Linz and others might.  I take them as individuals and form different judgements accordingly.  I was just trying to indicate one reason why you might not be getting as many responses as you formerly would have.

More to say later.  Thank you sincerely for the honest, intelligent discussion.




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