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Friday, September 30 - 8:39amSanction this postReply
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Douglas Adams in the Hitchhikers trilogy: "I'm not trying to prove anything, by the way. I'm a scientist and I know what constitutes proof. But the reason I call myself by my childhood name is to remind myself that a scientist must also be absolutely like a child. If he sees a thing, he must say that he sees it, whether it was what he thought he was going to see or not. See first, think later, then test. But always see first. Otherwise you will only see what you were expecting. Most scientists forget that. ... the other reason I call myself Wonko the Sane is so that people will think I am a fool. That allows me to say what I see when I see it. You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."





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Friday, September 30 - 10:45amSanction this postReply
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Great Adams quote... sanctioned.

---Landon




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Friday, September 30 - 3:25pmSanction this postReply
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Yeah!
 Hey Ciro, there's another quote about toothpicks somewhere around the same chapter I never wrote down. If you've got your copy open.....I'd be much obliged.




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Saturday, October 1 - 9:54amSanction this postReply
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Dayaamm!

I loved this.

Especially this:
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
Bonk.

I gotta read this guy.

Michael




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Saturday, October 1 - 11:52amSanction this postReply
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Ciro,

"A scientist must also be absolutely like a child. If he sees a thing, he must say that he sees it, whether it was what he thought he was going to see or not. See first, think later, then test."

Right on target. To be good at being open to what is important precisely because it is surprising takes a person who cultivates a child-like personality (and, if she is a woman, a child-like appearance to go with that personality.) This is also true of the best artists, inventors, and poets - anyone whose being is in seeing and dreaming with open eyes.

In my case, I really had to grasp this to understand my own personality, and especially my own sexuality. Living as an adult with a child-like personality can be made very difficult, especially in a society that trusts ignoramuses and bigots with political power: my attraction, to adult women who cultivate a child-like personality and appearance, was repeatedly misidentified as "pedophilia" by ignoramuses and bigots in the grip of pedophile hysteria. Too many give up in the face of that bigotry. Too few think about what we all lose, every time we lose another adult mind that gives up on the child-like open-eyed playfulness of the scientist or artist.


(Edited by Adam Reed
on 10/01, 11:58am)




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Saturday, October 1 - 4:30pmSanction this postReply
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Adam,

Er... That's a pretty long leap. I got the message of that quote to be that scientists look at the universe with the same open mind that a child does, i.e. without learned preconceptions and prejudices.

Not that he wants to regress to the ignorance of childhood. I saw nothing particularly sexual in the quote either.

Michael




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Saturday, October 1 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,

The quote is about the whole personality of the person who is optimally suited to be a scientist. Admittedly, there are people (including scientists, artists and inventors) who compartmentalize - the kind who can be a child-at-play in the lab and a conventional adult in bed - but I prefer to have an integrated personality in all things. My sexuality, including a preference for adult women (for me usually scientists or artists) who cultivate a child-like personality and appearance, is integral to my personality. In my experience, bigots have a problem with that.

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Saturday, October 1 - 5:15pmSanction this postReply
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Adam,

Far be it from me to try to explain all of the subconscious connections of the human psyche. I'm trying to understand them in my own head.

However, I presume that your "integration" with a child image does not include playing in a sandbox and relearning the alphabet?

Michael




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Saturday, October 1 - 8:46pmSanction this postReply
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[and this is the head of the psychology section?  hmmm...]



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Saturday, October 1 - 10:29pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Gee, of course not. Context etc. On the other hand, since it was you who got that weird idea, without there being anything in what I wrote to suggest it, you probably ought to ask yourself exactly from where you jumped to that.





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Saturday, October 1 - 10:37pmSanction this postReply
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Adam,

Just trying to get a grip on selectivity standards. Since I (qua reader) am neither an adult female nor look like a younger one, nor do I like to have sex with older men, I was just wondering about the information overload and if there were other variables...

Michael




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Sunday, October 2 - 12:33amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Would you kindly tell me where your "nor do I like to have sex with older men" came from? In my previous posting in this thread, I referred to your apparent ascription to me of another "weird idea, without there being anything in what I wrote to suggest it." This one is even more bizarre than the previous one - and you apparently address it to me, even though, as before, you invented it without there being anything in what I wrote to suggest it. Where in blazes is this shit of yours coming from?

Because that "sex with older men" crap is 100% YOURS.

(Edited by Adam Reed
on 10/02, 1:15am)




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Sunday, October 2 - 8:48amSanction this postReply
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Even more information overload now, Adam?

Michael




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Sunday, October 2 - 9:02amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Your projection of your "sex with older men" narrative is not "information." Please get professional help.




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Sunday, October 2 - 9:12amSanction this postReply
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Adam,

Maybe I have not made myself clear. Every time there is any kind of discussion about children and so forth, I have seen you pop up and discuss your sexual preferences for young girls "who are in reality legal age." Long discussions. Many discussions. Way too many discussions. Like trying to constantly convince everybody to accept something. You made your point 50 posts on the same issue or so ago.

Your sudden inflamed hostility sounds an awful lot like your beloved nagonka.

So, for the record, let me state that I don't give a shit about your sex life. You can fuck dogs for all I care. But if you wanna keep setting yourself up, go right ahead.

I can guarantee you that you don't want to take this thing to where it can go (and not with me, either). My suggestion is to let the thing die. It can and will.

But hell, bring 'er on if that if what makes you happy.

Michael



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Sunday, October 2 - 9:52amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

"Every time there is any kind of discussion about children?" I haven't seen any discussion about children in this thread. At least not until you mentioned children in your last post.

Same with "sexual preferences for young girls who are in reality legal age." Or, as you project it onto me, "your sexual preferences for young girls who are in reality legal age." Are you talking about my wife?





In another month, she will be 59, same as I. "Young girl who is in reality legal age" is a really, really bizarre description of a woman who has been getting 55+ senior citizen discounts for nearly 4 years now.

Michael, what the shit is going on in your head?





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Sunday, October 2 - 7:09pmSanction this postReply
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Adam,

The shit in my head happens to be the shit in your posts. Need I remind you? OK. Post 6 on this thread:
My sexuality, including a preference for adult women (for me usually scientists or artists) who cultivate a child-like personality and appearance...
Do you want me to go back through ALL of your posts and start counting? That's not that hard to do.

Like I said, your sexuality - especially you preferences - has been made extremely clear a super abundant number of times. What are you trying to prove with repeating it so often? I haven't seen anybody ask or even be interested in your damn sex life, to tell the truth.

But if you want to start getting real nasty, then go for it. So far you have tried to characterize ME as having "weird" and "bizarre" ideas, which you also characterized as shit, and you have told me to seek professional help. Not nice. Nagonka.

You did this once before with me by talking about me jacking off. I didn't like that kind of thing then and I don't now.

But since you did start... let's do it. The only one I have seen with really "weird" and "bizarre" ideas so far has been you - they are in your posts. And if I am not mistaken, you have had professional help with some of them.

Wanna keep going? Because this can get a WHOLE LOT worse. I'm not bluffing.

Michael



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Sunday, October 2 - 7:33pmSanction this postReply
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Wow, this is a thread for the Pysche ward/group...



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Sunday, October 2 - 7:46pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

More like a thread for National Enquirer...

(I still love the initial quote, though. Thank you, Ciro.)

Michael





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Sunday, October 2 - 7:49pmSanction this postReply
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Uh ditto for Michael's above quote.

---Landon




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