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Sunday, May 15 - 2:26amSanction this postReply
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An interesting subject Sarah.

Very little of what Einstein says does anything for me philosophically. I agree with all your points there.

What is interesting to me is your exaltation of alone-ness or one-ness. In a world that made sense we would be closer to each other than we are. Einstein has that right. Whether it's just me, or America, or the whole world I don't know but I sense a rather large disconnect even between those who espouse the same beliefs. Modern generations are not good listeners. A genuine regard for the self-development of others is essential to a good life and that quality is all but non-existent. That is, all but non-existent in a form that doesn't require you to join a mystery-cult of some kind.

You do well to rebel against the kind of brother's keeper mentality that makes your skin crawl (though I'm not yet convinced Einstein was as bad as that), I just hope you haven't give up on people entirely. 




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Sunday, May 15 - 5:36amSanction this postReply
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Sunday, May 15 - 5:58amSanction this postReply
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Nice article, Sarah.  Thanks for posting it.

David Harriman exposed quite a few interesting insights into the philosophies of the great 20th century physicists in his audio tape series The Philosophic Corruption of Physics available at http://www.aynrandbookstore.com if you can afford it.  He showed little kindness to Einstein.




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Sunday, May 15 - 5:59amSanction this postReply
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But isn't it interesting, that, all the while he preaches for socialism, he still fled to one of the countries who deeply oppose socialism in any form? Why didn't he choose Soviet Russia, or Germany or Italy? Those had been socialistic or facist countries that exactly vouch for his oppinions?

I understand why he left the Third Reich, but he could have gone to any other socialist country around the globe, but instead he chose England and then the US. Einstein was a great mind, but as he said himself, he was influenced by his upbringing. As a citizen of Central Europe he had seen the horrors of WWI and more so the terror of nationalist governments, who he identifies as the egoistic problem. Since Socialism was on the rise in the beginning 20th century, he most likely identified himself with this movement. And even a brilliant mind may or may not resist the surge of socialism, because it was the same with the NAZIs. They also had brilliant minds in their ranks, or they would never have developed such murderous weapons.

I personally liked his remarks on Quantum Mechanics:

"Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the Old One. I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice. "

He could not abandon the belief that physics described the laws that govern "real things", the belief which had led to his successes with atoms, photons, and gravity.

Another interesting thing is this:
The U.S. FBI kept a 1,427 page file on his activities and recommended that he be barred from immigrating to the United States under the Alien Exclusion Act, alleging that Einstein "believes in, advises, advocates, or teaches a doctrine which, in a legal sense, as held by the courts in other cases, 'would allow anarchy to stalk in unmolested' and result in 'government in name only'", among other charges

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Sunday, May 15 - 7:22amSanction this postReply
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Sarah,
Bravo!
I, too, have often wondered why those who choose to separate themselves are considered not only to be
'missing something important' (which in certain ways is obvious) but also 'dangerous'.
That tells you something about the majority of people.

Fortunately, where I live now it isn't that way.

Best,
Jeff




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Sunday, May 15 - 9:27amSanction this postReply
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A socialization that does not make one's skin crawl is only possible in a society where men pursue their own interests and give no thought to what they can take, or who they can manipulate to provide sustenance for them.  It is only in the company of men who make their own way and will have it no other way, that we can feel safe and therefore comfortable, in a society free of ulterior motive.

I find it strange that the same man who is quoted as saying:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." could write such a piece. 

 




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Sunday, May 15 - 2:02pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff, where do you live now?



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Sunday, May 15 - 10:31pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you Sarah, for calling attention to the political fumblings of this otherwise intelligent man!

Disclaimer: this post exceeds 1000 words--read at your own risk

What follows is a point-by-point rebuttal to the notable "Einsteinian political contradictions" in this essay:
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Contradiction 1
"Moreover, his position in society is such that the egotistical drives of his make-up are constantly being accentuated, while his social drives, which are by nature weaker, progressively deteriorate."

Explanation 1
"[S]ocial drives" is, in this context, a mere floating abstraction--begging for a more precise definition. If pressed for definition, Al may have outlined a need for belongingness or relatedness or, in the worst possible case--sacrifice. At that point, I'd ask him how individually producing values is antithetic to these "social drives"--and whether value grows on trees to be shared with others in egalitarian glee. As Rand said: [blank out]
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Contradiction 2
"Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society."

Explanation 2
This enthymeme involves an unspoken premise: that value (meaning) is intrinsically an other-serving phenomenon. If pressed, Al may retort that some folks (such as the miser who never leaves his pile of gold) have made themselves miserable by being "self-serving." My response would be to question whether such short-sighted and narrow-minded behavior (of a paranoid miser) can even be logically construed to be in the miser's rational self-interest. And whether there is a more rational, long-term method of self-interest available to man.
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Contradiction 3
"We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor ... "

Explanation 3
First of all, the hideous notion of "collective labor" ignores the source of values (individual minds). And the abominable notion of "unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits" presumes a jungle-law dynamic of limited resources and an equivocal quality of "labor" among men. True, IF men were bees (or ants), THEN socialism would be a human good--but our nature differs from that of bees and ants. What an incredible oversight from someone of such intellectual prowess!
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Contradiction 4
"In so far as the labor contract is 'free,' what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists' requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs."

Explanation 4
This point ignores how "real value" is increasingly made accessible to humans (from private ownership). Again, it is as if values grow on trees, and capitalists are merely feudal landlords who merely own the land on which the trees "naturally" produce--the direct opposite of the reality of this matter. At this point, I would ask Al about why it is that lifetime labor--from early childhood until death--was largely eradicated in the West. What made it possible for us to work less and have more?

The historical perspective--regarding the increasingly available values, the consequence of capitalistic division of labor and profit motive--belies Al's position on this matter. And this pragmatic justification still leaves out the more important point about the morality of rational individuals requiring, as part of their natural make-up or identity, the freedom to trade values, instead of a forced redistribution of value--with no regard for the individual sources of its production.
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Contradiction 5
" ... the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature."

Explanation 5
In a constitutional republic devoted to upholding individual rights and rule of law--this point becomes mute. That some powerful men can be corrupt is no argument for the arbitrary, centralized power associated with socialism. On the contrary, it is an argument for the decentralization of power and a re-doubling of effort at upholding rights--ie. it is actually an argument for a constitutional minarchy.
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Contradiction 6
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."

Explanation 6
This contradiction is the most excusable of the bunch, as it has only recently been decisively contradicted by empirical data--ie. the internet. SOLOHQ is a world leader in this regard--enabling a forum "for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights." Indeed, the mere fact of this very online dialogue (about political thought) is antithetic to Al's position on the matter!
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Contradiction 7
"But taken as a whole, the present-day economy does not differ much from "pure" capitalism."

Explanation 7
None required (interested parties are merely directed to CUI for decisively-illustrated contradictions to this bogus notion)
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Contradiction 8
"Production is carried on for profit, not for use."

Explanation 8
Presumes an intrinsic, sacrificial nature to value production. In a truly free market, no instances of production "for profit" could be mutually exclusive to production "for use"--only continual "use" could sustain continual "profit."
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Contradiction 9
"There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment ... "

Explanation 9
Irrelevant. And even if ASSUMED relevant (for hypothetical purposes), this statement presumes a "perfect life of heaven on earth" guarantee on that which is merely of contingent or conditional nature. It divorces means from ends. NOTHING guarantees "full employment." This is merely emotional ejaculation on Al's part.

BESIDES, it is CAPITALISM that has employed masses like nothing else has. Here is a mental exercise:

-Note the astronomical increase in employment by a single capitalist, Henry Ford, in a single lifetime

-Now multiply that by merely 100 similar capitalists

-And note how much of the world would be employed (and feeding themselves), from the work of this mere subset of our world's successful entrepreneurs
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Contradiction 10
"Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence."

Explanation 10
This presumes the consumer-driven theory of production. But the logical prerequisite for the concept of "consumer" stems from the actuality of producers. In reality, only producers consume (because they have produced some value to trade).
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Contradiction 11
"Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all."

Explanation 11
This statement is guilty of a scope violation. Technology makes a capitalist richer. A richer capitalist does one of 3 things with this new profit (all of which increase employment). Adapted from Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson, the 3 things that capitalists will do with their profits:

1) re-invest in their business (which increases employment in society)

2) invest in the business of others by buying stocks (which increases employment in society)

3) increase their standard of living--e.g. yachts, mansions, maids, cooks, etc. etc. (which increases employment in society)
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Contradiction 12
"The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions."

Explanation 12
In actuality, it is central planning (where the optimizing mechanics of supply and demand have been subverted) that leads to increasingly severe depressions--capitalism is merely the scapegoat that society has erroneously found acceptable as the blame for this phenomenon. Numerous examples abound--though the most poignant point was offered by Rand: we have not ever had a fully-free market (only mixed economies)--and this is a necessary requirement that must be met, before we attempt to place any blame on one!
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Contradiction 13
"Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor ... "

Explanation 13
On the contrary, unlimited competition leads to incessant REDUCTION in the cost of production!

Ed
(Edited by Ed Thompson
on 5/15, 10:33pm)

(Edited by Ed Thompson
on 5/15, 10:39pm)




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Monday, May 16 - 7:19amSanction this postReply
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Perhaps one should see his experience with society and what he understood as capitalism in context with his upbringings and his affiliation. Perhaps he never experienced Ayn Rand in any way, other than some second-hand retelling. Einstein lived and suffered under the nationalist waves around Europe and the results of two world wars. In respect to these events, one can surely say that it is easy to succumb to the so-called "international" socialism, since he saw how national socialism fell apart. (Even the Soviet Union promoted a national socialism, rather than an international form of socialism)

Perhaps this explains his contradictionary view on society. Maybe his daily work on physics prohibited more expertise on the subject of capitalism and social sciences.
I think his philosophical background was thwarted by the European socialism (in which he participated by co-founding the Democratic Party in Germany) and its tenets. I recount that one conservative told me once, that if Karl Marx could have seen that after a short depression of the markets, there is an even bigger boom, he wouldn't have concluded the way he did.
Perhaps something similiar would have happened to Einstein, had he seen todays world.

But this is just an after-thought on one of the best minds in the field of physics.




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Monday, May 16 - 2:27pmSanction this postReply
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Al may have been an idiot savant. Note what he has written and said on any subject other than physics and he is definitely tending towards the 'idiot' end of the equation.



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Monday, August 1 - 5:16amSanction this postReply
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Congratulation, Sarah! You DO make great reading! I hedge the same feelings toward Al.



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Thursday, August 4 - 11:23amSanction this postReply
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Sarah,

Ditto!


gw




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Thursday, August 18 - 12:12pmSanction this postReply
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I was on vacation when this article got posted so I never got around to thanking everyone that commented.  Belated thank you.

Sarah




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