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Post 40

Friday, March 18 - 9:16pmSanction this postReply
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Barbara, the Budweiser insures that the baying is pretty loud, too. And I think my grandfather was part of that "Convey" craze in the seventies, still has a CB radio in his truck. His handle is "Wimpy," after the Popeye character. My grandmom hates it.
She likes the quieter country herself. I can remember her playing her guitar, playing mostly Patsy Cline songs, (and when Ayn Rand mentioned the "Mairsy dotes" rhyme in one of her essays, all I could think of is my grandmother singing that, too!). She even had a few songs of her own. I can remember her pulling out her little book of handwritten lyrics, that were probably older than me. And she would look you straight in the eye and smile when she sang, (she was always singing and humming) you could tell that she meant it. She gave me one of her favorite guitars, too, which was also older than me. She's not doing too well, athritis and diabetes, and her pain in her arms is so bad, that she can't do the things she used to, and I know it's killing her, because she's always been very active, building this, planting that. I miss her playing. She had a lot of bad things happen in her life, yet she managed to get through it all without giving up and stayed strong, and I know her country music played a big part in that.



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Post 41

Friday, March 18 - 9:24pmSanction this postReply
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Maybe it's because I have lived this way all my life. There is one line of a Garth Brooks song that refuses to go away in my mind.

From Cowboys and Angels

(Line):
It's a long way to heaven and one hell of a ride.

Magnificent!

(Of course, my heaven is on earth...)

Michael




Post 42

Friday, March 18 - 10:41pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

Thanks for sharing such personal and delightful background with us.  I'm very sorry to hear that about your grandmom. 

It's just occurred to me, with your mention of Ayn Rand in your last past, that certain types of country/bluegrass music are my tiddlywink music!  How great!  Thanks for the spark :-)

Jason




Post 43

Saturday, March 19 - 12:45amSanction this postReply
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I'm a gay man; we love divas. 
Finally, it's all beginning to make sense...

Jason, you've just explained a great deal to me, and it ain't about country music.  ;)  (I'm lining up behind George for the tooth-pulling session.)




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Saturday, March 19 - 4:18amSanction this postReply
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Robert K. Stock says in post #32 that ". . . Lyle Lovett, Nancy Griffith, and Robert Earl Keene (sic) produce music better than anything coming out of Nashville."

Finally another person on an Objectivist forum with an appreciation for Robert Earl Keen.   He is my favorite songwriter of all time.  Try "Dreadful Selfish Crime," "Merry Christmas from the Family," "Mariano," and "The Road Goes on Forever" for starters.  His satire on bluegrass "The Bluegrass Widow" is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.  Keen's concert intros are funnier than most standup comedy. 

Jason and Mark--I've been known to sing "You Never Even Called Me By My Name" in bars as well.  I fully agree about "The Dance." It is stunning.  I can't take some of Garth Brooks, but a few songs are great.  I think even Linz would like the video concert performance of Garth Brooks doing Billy Joel's "You May Be Right."  Well maybe Linz wouldn't like it and Jennifer and George would pull out more teeth over it--but it is the most KASS performance of any song any time that I've ever heard. 

Bill




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Saturday, March 19 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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Jennifer, Glad I could help :-P    Though I don't think you'll be much of a diva any longer without any teeth.  In fact, with you and Cordero and your toothless grins, you might have to start hangin' with the country crowd just to fit in!

(Oh my - wasn't that a cheap shot at my values.  Hmm, am I supposed to be morally repudiated now?  Where oh where is that Bidinotto?)

Jason




Post 46

Saturday, March 19 - 10:56amSanction this postReply
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Hey Jason, speaking of country and toothless grins...how do you know that the toothbrush was invented in the south?
Because anywhere else, it would be called a teethbrush.



Post 47

Saturday, March 19 - 11:05amSanction this postReply
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LOL.  I hadn't heard that one!

Although a warning to any other jokesters - don't you dare hijack my article thread with a bunch of hillbilly jokes.  I'll hunt you down!




Post 48

Saturday, March 19 - 12:28pmSanction this postReply
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Jason, even if I didn't completely agree with your original post, we need people who write with that much eloquence and clarity in the Objectivist movement!

I want to add some further points in explanation and defense of country music:

Country and Western is a very wide all-American category. It melds with a lot of pop, a lot of classic American music from Swanee River to the present day. I bet many of us may not have thought of "El Paso" or music about gunfighters and cowboys from old Disney epics as country music? The Ballad of Davy Crockett. The Daniel Boone theme song from the old t.v. series.

I suspect some sophisticated people who don't like C&W may be buying the redneck or lowbrow or crying-in-the-beer stereotype and making a category mistake. Only thinking of Country rather than Country and Western, for example. Or you may have only been exposed to just one type of C&W (e.g., the whiny, waily, mopey stuff is "rural country" often but not always played on radio stations outside of the cities, as opposed to "urban country", often more upbeat in many parts of the country.)

Or "top forty" country, which plays the most recent release by Garth, etc. over and over regardless of quality. But then you wouldn't have ever heard the best CD collections of the last five or more decades - from Patsy Cline, Marty Robbins, Conway Twitty to Ronnie Milsap, the Oak Ridge Boys, Willie Nelson and many others. Has anyone not exposed to a lot of C&W even -heard- of Don Williams?

A lot of the power of the better examples comes from, paradoxically, its literateness, its facility with language. The lyrics can be well-written and pack a punch. The best of them can be funny, apt, clever, satirical, poignant.

And the second thing, its ability to capture emotions and to recreate them with economy and force - an area where Objectivists are often lacking and need this kind of emotional fuel. One strand of C&W captures what it is to be in love, the unique force of that emotion and all its ramifications. It can be sentimental. It can be patriotic. It can be angry (many of the post 9/11 country songs about saddling up and taking down the bastards).

The wide range of human moods and experiences: I'm looking at a random collection I have of different singers and groups, called "hot number one country hits" which I got in a bargain bin. The titles give an indication of this spectrum, none of them whiny or about defeatism, dead houndogs, or jailtime: "Brand New Man", "I'd Love You All Over Again", "Don't Tell Me What To Do", "She's In Love With The Boy".

You don't have to rely on luck of the draw radio playings for your assessment of up to the second Country and Western music. You can get classics from the record store and get a better sampling.

Jennifer and George, I hope this helps you find your missing teeth and be able to enjoy a wider range of musical nourishment. Some lyrics would help concretize all this or cement it in further but this will have to only serve as a temporary bridge for now.

Take one "Crazy in Love" Conway Twitty soft wisftfull nostalgia purple pill and one "Ballad of New Orleans [Johnny Horton] gut-thumping, warlusting, patriotic pink pill and see me in the morning.

Phil




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Post 49

Saturday, March 19 - 3:48pmSanction this postReply
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But why, oh why, do so many of them have names just like Ayn Rand's villains? Conway Twitty, indeed!

Barbara



Post 50

Saturday, March 19 - 3:52pmSanction this postReply
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Conway Twitty, indeed!

Ha! Excellent, Barbara. I think Dolly Parton could be up there as well. ;)



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Saturday, March 19 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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Ricky Scaggs...Merle Haggard...eeww...



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Saturday, March 19 - 5:22pmSanction this postReply
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You guys are being almost as sacreligious as the person who did a parody of "The Scarlet Pimpernel" called the scarlet pumpernickel.... (no I won't tell you, I'll let you guess for being snotty).



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Post 53

Saturday, March 19 - 7:13pmSanction this postReply
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Hey, you guys got it on CD's and the airways. I got it in my family.

Some typical names:

Beulah, Virgil, Delbert, Osey, Girdy, Dinny, Addie, Pansy, Pose and the list goes on and on.

I have no idea how I came to be "Michael" among all that.

Michael




Post 54

Saturday, March 19 - 8:21pmSanction this postReply
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Ms. Branden:

Conway Twitty chose his name from the small Arkansas towns of Conway and Twitty.  His name doesn't have the same ring as the name of a Finn and a typewriter.

Conway Twitty began his career as a Rock n Roll singer and moved to Country music with Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash and Carl Perkins in the 1960's after the Beatles changed Rock music.

(Edited by Robert K Stock on 3/19, 8:31pm)




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Saturday, March 19 - 8:29pmSanction this postReply
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Bill Perry:

Thanks for correcting my spelling. I can never remember if Robert Earl Keen has an "e" at the end or not.

His writing is genius. The Front Porch Song, Swerving In My Lane and the Armadillo Jackal along with the songs you mentioned are among my favorites.

If he were not a drunk he would be a superstar.

(Edited by Robert K Stock on 3/19, 8:32pm)

(Edited by Robert K Stock on 3/19, 8:33pm)




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Sunday, March 20 - 6:01amSanction this postReply
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Rodney Rawlings wrote: "“(Ghost) Riders in the Sky” is one of the most fantastic songs ever written. (At the beginning it has some similarities to “When Johnny Comes Marching Home,” ..."

That was not accidental.  I thank Stan Jones said that himself.

Barbara: I never heard the Frankie Lane version, though I know him well from the theme to High Noon.  However, there was a remake in 1978 or so.  We were living in Las Cruces then, and a storm blew up, and I was pretty sure I saw them.  When we lived in Albuquerque, I had the lyrics over my desk.




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Sunday, March 20 - 6:04amSanction this postReply
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Barbara Branden wrote: "But why, oh why, do so many of them have names just like Ayn Rand's villains? Conway Twitty, indeed!"

Ummm, that would not include Johnny Cash, would it?




Post 58

Sunday, March 20 - 6:27amSanction this postReply
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Beulah, Virgil, Delbert, Osey, Girdy, Dinny, Addie, Pansy, Pose and the list goes on and on
Michael, dear, you're scaring me.  (Actually, I have a great aunt Pansy as well up in Michigan).
When I was growing up, my mom listened to country music, she still does. She's a big fan of Bill Anderson. I still find it odd, but good, that my daughter likes much of the same music as me. She actually thinks its cool that her mom has met rock stars, including--dare I say it on Solo--Ozzy Osbourne.

BTW, is anyone familiar with a country singer named Kent Rose?




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Post 59

Sunday, March 20 - 9:08pmSanction this postReply
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An entertainer once explained to me the difference between Western and Country.

Western is about things that occur outdoors: Cattle drives, sunsets, Indians.

Country is about things that occur indoors: Alcoholism, abuse, divorce.



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