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Post 20

Friday, March 18 - 8:40amSanction this postReply
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Ok, time for Kelly and Jenn and company to tell it like it is.  Can you confirm or deny what I've said?

J.




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Friday, March 18 - 9:17amSanction this postReply
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Barbara Branden wrote: "Jason, I don't share your enthusiasm, (when I was growing up we called the country music of the period "hillbilly music," ... "

That's what we called it, too.  I grew up with a lot of classical and bit of Broadway. In our neighborhood, there were immigrants and hillbillies and we knew we were more cultured than they. However, lfe is like a river, isn't it?

So, working in one office, I kept turning off the radio when no one was around and finally it became an issue and we all compromised.  One of the engineers said, "I will listen to anything except country-western."  And I said, "Deepak, the reason you don't like country-western is that you have never driven a truck, you've never been divorced, and you've never been to jail."  The guy in the other cubie was pretty mild-mannered though often direct with me, and he said, "Well, I'm Catholic, so I won't get divorced."  I knew that he had driven a truck as a customer service representative for an industrial engineering service firm, so I said, "Uh, Bruce, when did you go to jail?"

Eventually, he told us the story of the day he made the cops chase him up and down the alleys on his brother's moped. 

So, Deepak left, and we hired this other guy, and he showed up one day after lunch with a new pair of Tony Lamas in a box because he and his fiancee were taking line-dancing.  And I told the story of Deep, and I ended with "... because you've never driven a truck, you've never been divorced, and you've never been to jail."  And Shannon said, that he is Catholic, so he won't get divorced.  And I asked him when he'd been to jail. Turns out, he had been a customer service representative for a technology firm that supplied oil wells.  He made one well late Friday night when the paychecks were given out and he went into town with the guys.

My story is not so interesting, but, yes, I've been divorced, driven a truck, and been to jail.  And yes, I like country-western, but I learned to like it late in life.




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Friday, March 18 - 9:21amSanction this postReply
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Artist/Band: Keith Toby
Lyrics for Song: I Wanna Talk About Me
Lyrics for Album: Greatest Hits 2

We talk about your work how your boss is a jerk
We talk about your church and your head when it hurts
We talk about the troubles you've been having with your brother
About your daddy and your mother and your crazy ex-lover
We talk about your friends and the places that you've been
We talk about your skin and the dimples on your chin
The polish on your toes and the run in your hose
And God knows we're gonna talk about your clothes
You know talking about you makes me smile
But every once in awhile

I wanna talk about me
Wanna talk about I
Wanna talk about number one
Oh my me my
What I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see
I like talking about you you you you, usually, but occassionally
I wanna talk about me
I wanna talk about me

We talk about your dreams and we talk about your schemes
your high school team and your moisturizer creme
We talk about your nanna up in Muncie, Indiana
We talk about your grandma down in Alabama
We talk about your guys of every shape and size
The ones that you despise and the ones you idolize
We talk about your heart, about your brains and your smarts
And your medical charts and when you start
You know talking about you makes me grin
But every now and then

I wanna talk about me
Wanna talk about I
Wanna talk about number one
Oh my me my
What I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see
I like talking about you you you you, usually, but occassionally
I wanna talk about me
I wanna talk about me

You you you you you you you you youyouyouyouyou
I wanna talk about me

I wanna talk about me
Wanna talk about I
Wanna talk about number one
Oh my me my
What I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see
I like talking about you you you you, usually, but occassionally
I wanna talk about me
I wanna talk about me
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All great art is universal.  I printed this out and posted it over my desk and emailed a copy to my wife who was sitting at her desk right behind me.

 




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Friday, March 18 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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Artist/Band: Keith Toby
Lyrics for Song: Beer for My Horses
Lyrics for Album: Greatest Hits 2

Well a man come on the 6 o'clock news
Said somebody's been shot, somebody's been abused
Somebody blew up a building
Somebody stole a car
Somebody got away
Somebody didn't get too far yeah
They didn't get too far

Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that

(Chorus)
Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune
We'll all meet back at the local saloon
We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds
We've got too much corruption, too much crime in the streets
It's time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send 'em all to their maker and he'll settle 'em down
You can bet he'll set 'em down 'cause

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(Actually, Willy Nelson and Toby Keith.)




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Post 24

Friday, March 18 - 10:34amSanction this postReply
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I grew up with country music and never did like it as a child. I went into classical straight off. Later when I had to evaluate repertoire for records, I came across a pearl of country called Your Bulldog Drinks Champagne, but I can't remember who the the composers or singer are anymore.

It was about a man watching a woman through a hotel window serve her bulldog champagne in a champagne glass at a table. If I remember the hook correctly it went:

So you just tell old Rover
That top dog's comin' over,
'Cause any woman who'd get a bulldog drunk
Would have to be good to me.

After that I couldn't help it. I had to start getting back into country. Lots of beautiful songs, when they have a decent melody. But still there are certain types of gut bucket hillbilly that I can't stomach - I worked hard to get out of the mountains. I guess it's OK for some, but I ain't going back.

Michael




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Friday, March 18 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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So you just tell old Rover
That top dog's comin' over

Michael K., those "hooks" were very popular in the 80s country and to a certain extent always have been.  They're usually surprising and/or witty.  Lots of plays on words.  That's part of what I meant about the lyrics mattering.  Your mention made me think of the song "Better class of losers" by Randy Travis.  It may have been early 90s, but it was basically talking about being uncomfortable in champagne-swilling stuffed-shirt social situations and wanting to get back down to the good times with his beer-drinking and sawdust-on-the-floor friends. 

J.




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Friday, March 18 - 10:57amSanction this postReply
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I should mention something about gut bucket hillbilly. I'm not talking about Appalachian mountain folk music, which is hauntingly beautiful at times - especially when sung a cappella - without guitar or banjo.

Michael




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Friday, March 18 - 11:16amSanction this postReply
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I can't think of country without thinking of this one:
HAPPY BOY- The Beat Farmers

C D
I was walkin' down the street on a sunny day
G C
Hubba hubba hubba hubba hubba
C D
A feeling in my bones that I'll have my way
G C
Hubba hubba hubba hubba hubba

CHORUS:
F
Well I'm a happy boy (happy boy)
C
Well I'm a happy boy (happy boy)
D G G7
Oh ain't it good when things are going your way, hey hey?

My little dog spot got hit by a car
Hubba hubba hubba hubba hubba
Put his guts in a box and put him in a drawer
Hubba hubba hubba hubba hubba
CHORUS

I forgot all about it for a month and a half
Hubba hubba hubba hubba hubba
I looked in the drawer and started to laugh
Hubba hubba hubba hubba hubba
CHORUS



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Friday, March 18 - 11:42amSanction this postReply
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I find that with country there are good tracks worth listening to, but you listen to them only a few times before becoming bored.

In the 70's country became quite mainstream. I remember as a young child really liking Glen Campbell's "Rhinestone Cowboy". In my memory it was a mega-huge hit.

So I bought a "Glen Campbell" greatest hits a couple of years ago - and it is the sort of thing that you can listen to once in a while, but not repeatedly. I also discovered the song "Witchita Linesman" which has a great melody and vocal.

Wichita Lineman

I am a lineman for the county
And I drive the main road
Searchin’ in the sun
For another overload
I hear you singin’ in the wires
I can hear you through the whine
And the wichita lineman
Is still on the line.

I know I need a small vacation
But it don’t look like rain
And if it snows that stretch down south
Will never stand the strain
And I need you more than want you
And I want you for all time
And the wichita lineman
Is still on the line.




Post 29

Friday, March 18 - 12:03pmSanction this postReply
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Whoa Marcus, that's old stuff.  Ever listened to any Charlie Pride?  "Kiss an angel good morning" is a great song in that tradition.



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Friday, March 18 - 12:44pmSanction this postReply
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No, I haven't heard it. But how about that Rhinestone Cowboy?

Rhinestone Cowboy

I've been walkin' these streets so long
Singin' the same old song
I know every crack in these dirty sidewalks of Broadway
Where hustle's the name of the game
And nice guys get washed away like the snow and the rain
There's been a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me

{Refrain}
Like a rhinestone cowboy
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Like a rhinestone cowboy
Getting cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone

Well, I really don't mind the rain
And a smile can hide all the pain
But you're down when you're ridin' the train that's takin' the long way
And I dream of the things I'll do
With a subway token and a dollar tucked inside my shoe
There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me





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Friday, March 18 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Previously on this thread I had stated, "I would rather have 3 teeth extracted than listen to country music."

However, after reading some of the lyrics that many of you have posted, I now realize that that was a hasty comment on my part.

Let me revise my intial statement to, "I would rather have 6 teeth extracted than listen to country music"

George




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Friday, March 18 - 4:40pmSanction this postReply
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As a teenager in Southern California in the early 70's I embarassed a lot of my friends by being a rabid Country and Western music fan. One of my friends pulled off my cowboy hat and threw it down in disgust because a person in the next car laughed.

Country music is much more then hillbilly music. It is blended from many sources. Bluegrass grew out of the Scottish reels brought to America in the 1700's.  I have never cared for the high pitched nasal whine of bluegrass singing but I am amazed by the instrumentals.

Cowboy songs from the 1800's are the basis of the Western half of the genre and my favorite type of music. In the 1930's The Sons of the Pioneers fronted by Roy Rogers perfected the cowboy song. Tumbling Tumble Weeds, Cool Water, Riding Down the Canyon are masterpieces.

In the late 1920's Bob Wills, Milton Brown and others created Western Swing. This was New Orleans jazz mixed with blues, bluegrass and traditional cowboy songs played by fiddles, electric guitars, drums and full horn sections. The Western Swing bands usualy had 18 to 20 pieces and were the kings of the dance floor in Texas, Oklahoma, and California.

From Western Swing developed  Honky Tonk. The favorite style of music in Texas dancehalls to this day.

I am not a fan of most modern day Country music. I'll take Ernest Tubb and Lefty Frizzel honky tonk, Bob Wills western swing, Jim Reeves and Patsy Cline country ballads over Shania Twain, Dolly Parton, Toby Keith and Garth Brooks any day.

The best country music today still comes from Texas. Lyle Lovett, Nancy Griffith and Robert Earl Keene produce music better then anything coming out of Nashville.

(Edited by Robert K Stock on 3/18, 4:43pm)




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Friday, March 18 - 4:53pmSanction this postReply
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Michael Stuart Kelly:

"Your Bulldog Drinks Champagne", was written and performed by Jim Stafford. He had a slew of novelty hits in the late 60's early 70's and was married to Bobbie Gentry. Bobbie Gentry had a hit with "Ode To Billy Joe."




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Friday, March 18 - 5:12pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the background, Robert.  It's amazing how genres evolve.  The names you listed as the ones you'd take first are ones I'm somewhat familiar with and enjoy.  The exception is Patsy Cline, of course, whom I love almost as much as I love Dolly.  Almost.  I think you underestimate that little buxom blonde.  She has a sincerity, genuineness, and sweetness that makes her an amazing person in her own right.  Her talent at songwriting and her beautiful voice add to the package to make her an American knock-out.  Hearing her laugh brings a smile to my face; some of her songs bring tears to my eyes.  As far as Shania, Toby, and Garth, well, I can't say I agree with you there.  But they could disappear tomorrow as long as we still had Dolly.  It's relevant to note that I didn't fall in love with her until I bought her most recent (and 3-year old) CD, Halos & Horns, where she gets back to her mountain-music roots with some amazing stuff.  The two albums immediately preceding this were also great.  But H & H made me remember how much I loved her as a kid and made me seek out everything I could find in the stores.  It's been an ongoing love affair for the past 3 years or so. 

And thanks for the tidbit on Bobbie Gentry.  I'll take her version of fancy - simple but poignant - over Reba's any day.  Though I enjoy Reba's more brassy, defiant version too.  I'm a gay man; we love divas. 

Jason




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Friday, March 18 - 5:05pmSanction this postReply
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I am a long time Country fan. Well said on the lyrics matter point.
I would certainly term myself far more of a Country Rock fan than Country Western. There are all kinds of songs for all moods and some incredably diverse artists in the genre.

I have often quoted lyrics from Garth Brooks The Dance;

And now, I'm glad I didn't know,
The way It all would end,
The way It all would go,
Our lives are better left to chance,
I could have missed the pain,
But I'da had to miss the dance.

Of course Country has never been afraid to highlight the ironies and poke fun at itself;

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/927064/posts

The final verse of "You Never Even Called Me by my Name" performed by David Allen Coe, Charlie Pride and Merle Haggard (Steve Goodman) qualifies it as the "perfect country and western song." Here's the story:

At the end of the song as originally written, David Allen Coe says, "Well, a friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song, and he told me it was the perfect country and western song.... I told him it was NOT the perfect country and western song, ‘cause he hadn't said anything at all about mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin' drunk. Well, he sat down and wrote another verse.... After reading it I realized my friend had written the perfect country and western song. ... the last verse goes like this here."

"Well, I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison,
And I went to pick her up in the rain,
But before I could get to the station in my pick-up truck,
She got run over by a damned old train.

And I'll hang around as long as you will let me,
And I never minding standin' in the rain,
You don't have to call me darlin', darlin'
You never even called me by my name."






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Friday, March 18 - 5:25pmSanction this postReply
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What discussion this post has generated!  I never expected this many responses! 

Mark - one of my favorite recent memories is of the Atlanta Objectivists gang singing the David Allan Coe song with the jukebox at the top of our lungs over beers in some Tennessee dive bar - this last Christmas no less! That song will never be heard the same. 

Talk about your whim-worshipping hedonists!

Jason




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“(Ghost) Riders in the Sky” is one of the most fantastic songs ever written. (At the beginning it has some similarities to “When Johnny Comes Marching Home,” but the tunes soon diverge and unless the similarity is pointed out people seldom notice it.)

 

(Ghost) Riders in the Sky

Written by Stan Jones, 1949

 

An old cowpoke went riding out

One dark and windy day;

Upon a ridge he rested as

He went along his way.

When all at once a mighty herd

Of red-eyed cows he saw,

A-plowin’ through the ragged skies

And up a cloudy draw.

 

Yippee-yi-ay, yippee-yi-yo,

Ghost herd in the sky.

 

Their brands were still on fire and

Their hooves were made of steel;

Their horns were black and shiny and

Their hot breath he could feel.

A bolt of fear shot through him as

He looked up in the sky,

For he saw the riders comin’ hard

And he heard their mournful cry:

 

Yippee-yi-ay, yippee-yi-yo,

Ghost riders in the sky.

 

Their faces gaunt, their eyes were blurred,

Their shirts all soaked with sweat.

They’re riding hard to catch that herd,

But they ain’t caught ’em yet;

’Cause they’ve got to ride forever on

That range up in the sky,

On horses snortin’ fire.

As they ride on hear their cry:

 

Yippee-yi-ay, yippee-yi-yo,

Ghost riders in the sky.

 

The cowpokes loped on past him and

He heard one call his name:

“If you want to save your soul from hell

“A-riding on our range,

“Then, cowboy, change your ways today,

“Or with us you will ride,

“A-trying to catch the devil’s herd

“Across these endless skies.”

 

Yippee-yi-ay, yippee-yi-yo,

Ghost riders in the sky.

(Edited by Rodney Rawlings on 3/18, 6:01pm)




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Jason, you're a brave man. With all the snipes about caterwauling, you go and bring country into the mix. God, my grandfather is ten times worse than Linz when it comes to rock music, yet him and his buddies sit around twanging and howling like coyotes. (He also thinks he's John Wayne...).
Yet I learned to appreciate it, somehow.My grandparents on both sides love country music. Makes me wonder how I was born into the family that I was. (Gay bookworm born of sicilians and hillbillies.) My father's parents like the 70's country, like Ricki Skaggs, Alabama, Merle Haggard,etc. My mom's parents like the older stuff, Patsy Cline, Chet Atkins, etc. And my grandfather's a trip. Anything not country sounds "spanish" to him...And my grandmother always tells me that I'll like it when I'm old enough...May I never grow old enough...
Having said that, I did learn to like SOME of it. Some of the fiddling is pretty virtuoso, as well as the guitar playing of Chet Atkins, who was pretty influential outside of country, on players like Steve Howe of Yes. And the instrumentals can be pretty good. Rodney, you mentioned GHOST RIDERS IN THE SKY, great song! (course, I like the version by the OUTLAWS better, little more southern rock than the original.) And of course, who can not like "The Devil Went Down to Georgia", classic. And "Jolene" is a great song, too, Jason.

God, I do have some of that redneck in me...

I still hate "HEE HAW." Blech.





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Friday, March 18 - 8:50pmSanction this postReply
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Oops, I like "Ghost Riders in the Sky" -- at least I liked the version a singer named Frankie Laine (whom you've probably never heard of) used to sing in the 60's.

I have to say that this is the funniest thread yet to appear on Solo. I don't mean that in a negative way. I love the pleasure so many of you are taking in discussing this music, and some of the lyrics are hysterically funny. Joe, I can't stop laughing at the picture of your grandfather and his buddies "sitting around twanging and howling like coyotes."

Barbara




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